{"id":9552,"date":"2026-06-26T10:39:35","date_gmt":"2026-06-26T10:39:35","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/proespacio.tedae.org\/?p=9552"},"modified":"2026-06-29T10:07:38","modified_gmt":"2026-06-29T10:07:38","slug":"josef-aschbacher","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/proespacio.tedae.org\/en\/josef-aschbacher\/","title":{"rendered":"Josef Aschbacher"},"content":{"rendered":"<div data-elementor-type=\"wp-post\" data-elementor-id=\"9552\" class=\"elementor elementor-9552\" data-elementor-post-type=\"post\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-52128a94 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"52128a94\" data-element_type=\"section\" data-e-type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-38af7e7b\" data-id=\"38af7e7b\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-9291f3b elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"9291f3b\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><em style=\"font-weight: bold;\">ESA Director <\/em>\u00a0<strong><em>of Navigation<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-05890a3 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"05890a3\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>Josef Aschbacher has served as the Director General of the European Space Agency (ESA) since March 2021. A visionary leader with over three decades of experience in the international space sector, he has been the primary architect of Agenda 2025, Space Ambition 2030 and Strategy 2040\u2014strategies designed to strengthen Europe\u2019s role in space through greater resilience, competitiveness and autonomy.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-b02df72 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"b02df72\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>Prior to his appointment as Director General, Dr. Aschbacher served as the Director of Earth Observation Programmes and Head of ESRIN, ESA\u2019s center for Earth Observation in Italy. During this time, he was instrumental in the success of the Copernicus program, which has become the global gold standard for satellite-based environmental monitoring.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-610bc85 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"610bc85\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<figure class=\"wp-block-pullquote\"><blockquote><p>with over three decades of experience in the international space sector, he has been the primary architect of Agenda 2025 Space Ambition 2030 AND STRATEGY 2040\u201c<\/p><\/blockquote><\/figure>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-8738133 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"8738133\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignwide size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" class=\"wp-image-651\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/proespacio.tedae.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/entrevista_r63.jpg?w=788&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" \/><\/figure>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-06be8dc elementor-widget-divider--view-line elementor-widget elementor-widget-divider\" data-id=\"06be8dc\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"divider.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-divider\">\n\t\t\t<span class=\"elementor-divider-separator\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-0d53301 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"0d53301\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><b>To start, what do you see as the three primary challenges for Space in Europe and for European industries in today\u2019s global context? From your point of view, how are we preparing in Europe to respond to these challenges, and what timeframe should we be looking at to surpass them?<\/b><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-60b648e elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"60b648e\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>If you ask me what are the main challenges, I would say, number one, it really is to make sure that Europe acts in a united way and brings its strengths together. The European Space Agency is the sum of all the excellent contributions of the Member States, of course, formulating large programs, done and implemented by all the countries.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-5afc2fd elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"5afc2fd\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>We need to make sure that we are not fragmented, but we have a united European approach.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-f3de0a2 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"f3de0a2\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<figure class=\"wp-block-pullquote\"><blockquote><p><b>We need to increase funding and we are working on this together with OUR MEMBER STATES\u201d<\/b><\/p><\/blockquote><\/figure>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-7d6e9e0 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"7d6e9e0\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>Number two, and you will not be surprised to hear that from me, is finding budget. Europe needs to catch up. We had an enormous success in Bremen at the Ministerial Conference of ESA, 22.3 billion, an absolute record. But still it is by far not comparable with the United States.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-906a715 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"906a715\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>In the United States, the public funding, that means NASA, Space Force and other public entities, spend six times as much as Europe put together; meaning European Space Agency, Spanish Space Agency, European Commission, EUMETSAT and other entities.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-64d2412 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"64d2412\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>So if you put all this together and compare it with the United States, there is a factor of six in between. So that is not good. That means we have a difficult starting point. The good thing, though, is that Europe is absolutely excellent in terms of industrial capability, really competitive, and I would almost say one of the most, if not the most competitive worldwide in the space sector.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-238b78f elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"238b78f\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>Because our industry is really good and because we have probably less money, they have to be better with less funding compared to maybe other places.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-6a911a1 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"6a911a1\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>So the excellence is there, but of course we need to increase funding and we are working on this at the European Space Agency.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-6422914 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"6422914\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>The European Commission is coming with a very bold proposal on the ECF and we really need more money, I think as simple as that. We also see it, with the commercial sector, SpaceX having an IPO coming up with the figures, to be confirmed and consolidated, but somewhere in the order of 1.5 or 2 trillion dollars of valuation of the company.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-8b7e0b3 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"8b7e0b3\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>So space is not only scientifically driven; it is also increasingly economically and commercially driven, and that trend will only accelerate.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-e57d0c2 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"e57d0c2\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<figure class=\"wp-block-pullquote\">\n<blockquote><b>We are seeing how the growth of the commercial sector is transforming the market. The SpaceX case is a very illustrative example\u201d<\/b><\/blockquote>\n<\/figure>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-241a210 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"241a210\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>The third point is, and this is something where Europe has to catch up, is acceleration. We need to be faster, we need to be bolder, we need to take more risks, we need to be a bit more courageous and this is something where Europe really has to change its mindset and this is a cultural issue, is a mindset issue where Europe has to work on.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-50a6201 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"50a6201\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignwide size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" class=\"wp-image-651\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/proespacio.tedae.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/entrevistar63_2.jpg?w=788&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" \/><figcaption>Blue Ghost Mission 1 achieves a historic milestone by demonstrating real-time lunar navigation using signals received from Earth<\/figcaption><\/figure>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-61c507c elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"61c507c\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>I\u2019m quite often in America and I see this can-do attitude: they are going very fast, sometimes very risky, sometimes they make failures, this is true, as we also do in other places, but embracing risk in America is really something that helps them to be very fast and very bold and that\u2019s something Europe also needs to do.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-2eba6bc elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"2eba6bc\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>I see this also in Spain. You have a lot of young companies, start-ups that are now emerging and quite successfully. I talk about launchers. We have one of the launcher companies selected for the European Launcher Challenge, PLD Space, here in Spain.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-b3f1042 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"b3f1042\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>I find this fantastic and I know they are working on it since some time already, but now they are preparing to go to the launch pad and this is what we need. We need companies sometimes having crazy ideas, people saying this never works, this is too crazy, this does not work, we need that.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-7b7375c elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"7b7375c\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>We need more of that and that\u2019s why I really admire the young generation now who is entering Space.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-3be36c9 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"3be36c9\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>I just listened very carefully to the speech of the Minister Diana Morant in the Congress. She was also underlining that we have to inspire young people, the young generation, to open business, to study technology, engineering. This is crucial because the space sector is growing.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-533f13a elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"533f13a\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>We need talent, we need young people, we need everyone, but we need also young people to join, so I think there is really a lot to be done.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-00ea48f elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"00ea48f\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>So we are in a good moment, we are in a really good moment, but we have to do more and faster and more simply.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-84d9f35 elementor-widget-divider--view-line elementor-widget elementor-widget-divider\" data-id=\"84d9f35\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"divider.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-divider\">\n\t\t\t<span class=\"elementor-divider-separator\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-1b18f88 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"1b18f88\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><b>You mentioned the need of funding and being ambitious and that leads me to the next question. I know you use a political saying that is \u201cEither you are on the table or on the menu, right\u201d? Taking that and looking ahead to the future of the global space sector, do you think Europe is on track to firmly secure our position among the primary decision makers that shape the era of the next space, and if so, in which strategic areas and future programs are we pushing hardest to guarantee that we are there?<\/b><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-a83e4aa elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"a83e4aa\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tWe have some domains where Europe is world class, actually the best in the world. I take navigation: with the Galileo system we are having the most accurate PNT signal in the world, better than GPS and better than many other systems. So there we are top class and we are leading again with Celeste, which is the next generation of low Earth orbit PNT systems.\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-dc1d989 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"dc1d989\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>We are world class in Earth observation. We have the best Earth observation system in the world. With the Copernicus program, with the Earth Explorers, with meteorological programs, we are collectively having the largest amounts of data coming from our satellites, observing our planet Earth every single day and being disseminated to industry and users worldwide.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-bd71547 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"bd71547\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignwide size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" class=\"wp-image-651\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/proespacio.tedae.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/entrevista_r63_3.jpg?w=788&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" \/><figcaption>The Copernicus Sentinel-1D satellite has joined the Sentinel-1 mission in orbit. Launch took place on 4 November 2025 at 22:02 CET (18:02 local time) on board an Ariane 6 launcher from Europe\u2019s Spaceport in French Guiana<\/figcaption><\/figure>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-94d9bd3 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"94d9bd3\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>About 350 terabytes of data every single day disseminated through the Copernicus program alone. So enormous amounts of data.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-2cf3689 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"2cf3689\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>We are also world class in science, in Space science, that means to discover the big secrets of our universe. Where do we come from, where do we go, black holes, dark matter, dark energy, all these questions which are very difficult to understand, or everyone is asking them, but difficult to understand, also very philosophical, also very religious.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-33eabbd elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"33eabbd\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>Are we unique in this universe? Are there many species like us somewhere else? Where do we come from? Where do we go? Where is the universe going? What does planet Earth mean in the big universe? Europe is very good at tackling those questions. We are looking, we are searching for life outside our planet Earth. We have a mission going to Mars, which will drill up below the surface to search for traces of past life.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-c179c4c elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"c179c4c\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<figure class=\"wp-block-pullquote\"><blockquote><p><b>Around 350 Terabytes Of data are made available every day through copernicus alone\"<\/b><\/p><\/blockquote><\/figure>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-00624f4 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"00624f4\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>Just imagine we find traces of ancient life. Of course we analyze it and we will see whether it has a DNA or not. If it has a DNA like you and me, that means there is a common source. If it doesn\u2019t have a DNA, that means there are different ways of life being created.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-c07db2d elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"c07db2d\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>So all these are fascinating fundamental questions and we are looking at that. We are at the beginning of developing a mission to look for life on the icy moons. There we have Juice, which is right now flying to Jupiter icy moons.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-57d6474 elementor-widget-divider--view-line elementor-widget elementor-widget-divider\" data-id=\"57d6474\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"divider.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-divider\">\n\t\t\t<span class=\"elementor-divider-separator\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-ebaf3ca elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"ebaf3ca\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><b>We have BepiColombo also arriving this year, right?<\/b><b><\/b><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-72fbd2e elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"72fbd2e\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>Exactly, BepiColombo arriving this year. So, I mean, there are a lot of things we are doing. There we are really good and I would say top class, if not the best in the world. We have other domains where we have to catch up. Telecommunication, there is nothing like Starlink in Europe.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-04473c3 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"04473c3\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignwide size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" class=\"wp-image-651\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/proespacio.tedae.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/entrevista_r63_4.jpg?w=788&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" \/><figcaption>New players in the launch vehicle sector, such as PLD Space, are enabling us to make huge strides forward<\/figcaption><\/figure>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-20b3e09 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"20b3e09\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>Launchers, there is nothing like Falcon 9 in Europe for different reasons. I\u2019m not saying that we do need a Falcon 9 because our needs are slightly different than of course in the US where they have six times as much money and much more satellites to launch.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-7e6d06a elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"7e6d06a\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>This is very clear. But we have good rockets too: Ariane 6 and Vega-C. They are doing a really, really good job and they are excellent. But it\u2019s not the same launch cadence, the same production time. It\u2019s not reusable. So, there we need to really change gear and catch up and I hope the new launcher challengers, PLD Space being one of them, are really changing this and bringing us forward in a big step.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-13771a5 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"13771a5\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>There are other domains where we need to catch up and be a bit more aggressive. It\u2019s commercialization. We have good companies and also from the European Space Agency we are pushing a lot the commercialization.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-054a7ab elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"054a7ab\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>I have introduced commercialization as a priority for Europe. I have created a directorate of commercialization and we are doing business incubation centers or Phi-Lab NET, where we give money to industry and we encourage industry to come to us with products where they think that they are close to the market and they need a bit of support from ESA, either money or technical support or engineering support.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-e03a08e elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"e03a08e\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>We do that, but we leave the industry to drive it.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-627cd82 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"627cd82\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>We also help them finding money, that means investors. We have established what is called an ESA Investors Network with more than 100 banks, venture capital companies, now working with us to find companies in Europe which they can fund.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-ed946fd elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"ed946fd\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>I quite often go to different places, for example, not only related to the Space domain, but the World Economic Forum in Davos, or places where economy and investment are the main topic.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-d5caea5 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"d5caea5\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>Very often, I\u2019m the only space person or one of very few space people and people know that I\u2019m from the European Space Agency, from Europe, so I\u2019m getting a lot of venture capital companies, big investors from the United States coming to me and say, look, we understand space is growing very fast, we understand there is the commercial sector increasing.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-2a6611c elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"2a6611c\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>We understand that Europe is underfunded in terms of private money, what can we do and where can we help and where can we put our funds into industry? And that\u2019s why we created this Investors Network, so that we talk to them and we help them orient, but we also help our space companies, of course, Spanish and other companies, to find money, to find investors.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-ba496b1 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"ba496b1\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>It is almost a matchmaking exercise, where we bring together brilliant ideas of young startups but they run out of money, so there\u2019s this famous valley of death, which some survive and some not, and we help them surviving and getting through this valley of death in order to really find investors and, of course, we do this in an organized way.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-76d2fc1 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"76d2fc1\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>So more money is flowing in now from the investment community, about 1.4 billion last year, which is quite a big increase, 56% more than the year before. So we\u2019re getting there, but, of course, still we are not as fast, not as large as the United States.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-3b78288 elementor-widget-divider--view-line elementor-widget elementor-widget-divider\" data-id=\"3b78288\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"divider.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-divider\">\n\t\t\t<span class=\"elementor-divider-separator\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-d090e6a elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"d090e6a\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><b>You speak a lot about exploration science, which is actually one of the strongest areas of the European Space Agency, but what about human exploration?<\/b><b><\/b><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-ddc9569 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"ddc9569\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>Human exploration is a big topic missing space on the left. The question is a very simple one. Today, if we want to fly a European astronaut, let\u2019s take Pablo as one example, to Space, I have to find a partner, a friend who is doing it for us. Today, the only one with whom we are flying astronauts to Space is NASA, and NASA means SpaceX, because it\u2019s the crew dragon with Falcon 9 that brings astronauts to Space.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-d8bb23a elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"d8bb23a\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>And it\u2019s working well, and we\u2019re very happy with this cooperation. However, it\u2019s the only one. In the past, we used to fly with Russia, as you know. Of course, this is now impossible. The other option would be China. Again, this is, for many reasons, not pursued.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-9bd4d98 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"9bd4d98\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>So, what I really want to ask politicians is: look, we have, of course, major economic blocks in the world. We have the United States, we have China, we have Europe, and we have other economically strong countries.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-51caf72 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"51caf72\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>Europe has an economy of comparable scale to the United States and China. Does Europe, as a continent, and not as a country, want to rely for the next 10, 20, 30 years on others to bring their astronauts to Space? And this is a question I want to ask. The answer has to be given by politicians, but I\u2019m ready to implement it if they say, yes, please, sir, give us a way forward of how we can do it in Europe. And I see this now, especially in the geopolitical situation of today, that we are more and more exposed to other partners.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-dbac63a elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"dbac63a\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>We have just heard in the ignition event of NASA that the architecture is changing. The Gateway, where Europe was very strongly invested, is paused. That means it\u2019s not terminated, but it\u2019s paused. That means that our investments we have made over the last few years are not secured.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-fda8edf elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"fda8edf\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>So we have now to redirect them, meaning that we are very dependent on other big space agencies, big partners like NASA in this particular case. Another example was Mars Sample Return, where the mission was canceled and European investments cannot be utilized for what was meant to be.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-c63d3f4 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"c63d3f4\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>So this is really a question of autonomy, of strategic orientation, and that\u2019s something I\u2019m really putting on the table. What should Europe do? Europe must ask itself whether it wants to continue with this level of dependency in the future. And, in my view, the answer has to be no.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-063f822 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"063f822\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>We have to have more autonomy. This is exactly what I was promoting for the ministerial conference, and this message was heard very clearly, also here in Spain in particular. Big thank you to Spain for its huge investment in the ministerial conference in Bremen. But this autonomy, of course, has many facets, and in addition to navigation, Earth observation, telecommunication and other things, exploration is one of those domains we have to tackle.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-b8c6db7 elementor-widget-divider--view-line elementor-widget elementor-widget-divider\" data-id=\"b8c6db7\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"divider.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-divider\">\n\t\t\t<span class=\"elementor-divider-separator\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-424e9e1 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"424e9e1\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><b>But we need a launcher, we need a big launcher, a very big launcher to put humans in orbit. Don\u2019t we?<\/b><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-893dd17 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"893dd17\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>Yes, but actually, and this is a study we\u2019re doing right now, I believe that Ariane 6 would be capable of launching astronauts. It needs modifications. Of course, we need a launch abort system, which is a major development that does not exist today. But as a rocket, Ariane 6 would have the power and the characteristics of being able to launch astronauts.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-ff9a5e1 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"ff9a5e1\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>You probably remember that Ariane 5, the predecessor, was actually designed to be human rated. It was unfortunately not used for that purpose, but it was designed for it. Ariane 6 is the next evolution, and we need to carefully verify what would be required to support human spaceflight.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-78edc30 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"78edc30\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignwide size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" class=\"wp-image-651\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/proespacio.tedae.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/entrevista_r63_5.jpg?w=788&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" \/><figcaption><\/figcaption><\/figure>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-5dae077 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"5dae077\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>Of course, there are other things to be done: the launch pad needs to be made ready for astronauts, they need to go into a capsule, there needs to be the preparations on the launch, on the European spaceport. We need a human-rated capsule, which we don\u2019t have today.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-26b5694 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"26b5694\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>We are having building blocks where we are working towards with the LCRS, the Leo Cargo Return Service, which first will bring cargo to Space and could probably be upgraded for astronauts. We need a crew recovery operation. That means with parachutes, the capsule will recover it from wherever it lands.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-8bef884 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"8bef884\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>So there are things to be done. But I\u2019m confident Europe can do it. I know that. It needs a decision at the political level to say, please, tell us what needs to be done. Please tell us how much it costs. Please tell us who can do it, because I also think it\u2019s very important that we find a good balance between different countries who can contribute to such a development. And then, yes, it needs a decision. And if I get the green light to go, I\u2019m ready to go. Not to go, but to run!<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-ac24789 elementor-widget-divider--view-line elementor-widget elementor-widget-divider\" data-id=\"ac24789\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"divider.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-divider\">\n\t\t\t<span class=\"elementor-divider-separator\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-3c77da6 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"3c77da6\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><b>Talking about sustainability, ESA has set a world-leading goal of becoming debris-neutral by 2030. In terms of European industrial competitiveness, do you believe this \u2018sustainability-first\u2019 approach is a commercial differentiator for European companies in the global market?<\/b><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-d1a73b4 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"d1a73b4\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>It\u2019s a very good question. Sometimes I hear the argument that if sustainability requirements become too demanding, competitiveness may suffer. This argument certainly has some merit, but it depends a lot on what happens on the regulative side.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-7371807 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"7371807\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>ESA itself is not a regulatory body \u2013 regulation happens at European and national level. But let us imagine a situation where regulation requires operators to meet sustainability criteria in order to be allowed to do business.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-b79d708 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"b79d708\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>For example, if you were required to demonstrate that, at the end of its life, your satellite will be safely deorbited as part of a sustainability requirement, then it\u2019s very clear and very strong, because you have to be sustainable. And therefore this sustainability is part of your business model, because if you\u2019re not, then you\u2019re out of business. So I think this is something that goes hand in hand with regulation.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-78ed36c elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"78ed36c\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>I also believe there is a very strong business case in sustainability. Take in-orbit servicing. We have now a satellite in development that will attach to another satellite to extend its life. It\u2019s a telecommunications satellite. It will run out of fuel. And with an attached satellite, we can extend its life for another five years. That means five more years of the satellite of revenue from an existing asset.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-0516323 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"0516323\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>So, yes, sustainability by extending life of a satellite and not having it dead, I would say, or having it in debris, creates tangible economic value. So it\u2019s also very, very clear. Another case may be in-orbit removal. Imagine you need to remove satellites from orbit in order to avoid collisions. Again, this may be a business case, because you need to do it or someone needs to do it, either by regulatory requirements or other reasons.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-e20d0d1 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"e20d0d1\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>So, yes, a space economy will increasingly develop in orbit, especially in low Earth orbit, and sustainability will be one of its drivers.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-9f6d097 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"9f6d097\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignwide size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" class=\"wp-image-651\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/proespacio.tedae.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/entrevista_r63_6.jpg?w=788&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" \/><\/figure>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-20c14c1 elementor-widget-divider--view-line elementor-widget elementor-widget-divider\" data-id=\"20c14c1\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"divider.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-divider\">\n\t\t\t<span class=\"elementor-divider-separator\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-d98eb61 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"d98eb61\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><b>But don\u2019t you think we need to do it at an international level, not just European level?<\/b><b><\/b><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-3899c18 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"3899c18\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>But this is exactly what I mean by regulation. If the European Union would regulate that you can only sell space-based services if you fulfill some sustainability criteria, even other countries selling services in Europe would need to adhere to those. And therefore, yes, sustainability is built into the business model.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-c8872f5 elementor-widget-divider--view-line elementor-widget elementor-widget-divider\" data-id=\"c8872f5\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"divider.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-divider\">\n\t\t\t<span class=\"elementor-divider-separator\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-9fb8a34 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"9fb8a34\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><b>Reflecting on the years of your mandate, how have you seen the Spanish Space sector evolve, and what is your assessment of the current contribution of our industry within ESA\u2019s strategic programs?<\/b><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-2f397e5 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"2f397e5\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>If you look at my mandate, I became Director General five years ago, and I\u2019ve seen a huge change of Spain over the last few years. Between the Ministerial 2022 and the Ministerial 2025. Spain more than doubled its investments in space through ESA.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-550cf77 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"550cf77\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>And that means, and I really want to say that, that Spain has made very wise decisions in investing so much because Space is a growing economy, it\u2019s growing by about 10% per year globally. Space is becoming more and more critical for security and defense.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-47b1e80 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"47b1e80\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<figure class=\"wp-block-pullquote\"><blockquote><p>a space economy will increasingly develop in orbit and sustainability will be one of its drivers\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote><\/figure>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-fe74cb5 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"fe74cb5\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>Space is entering more and more aspects of daily life: from agriculture to forestry to ship rooting to air quality, city planning, tourism, and many more. And Spain has recognized that this is a domain that is so critical and so strategic, and therefore, investing in it, of course, positions Spain as a country and Spanish industry very well European cooperation and long-term industrial return.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-5223fea elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"5223fea\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>Maybe just one figure that you might know. If you invest one euro in Space, and we have done economic assessments, not ourselves, but by independent economic experts, one euro invested in ESA\u2019s space programs brings about five euros back on average to the economy, through new companies, new SMEs, taxes, exports, and so on. So globally speaking, this is an average for Europe, and Spain is probably even a bit higher because you are more active than other countries.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-7bb00d2 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"7bb00d2\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>This means that you invest one euro, and it brings an enormous amount back into the economy, benefits, businesses, and creates new opportunities.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-f0fee6a elementor-widget-divider--view-line elementor-widget elementor-widget-divider\" data-id=\"f0fee6a\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"divider.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-divider\">\n\t\t\t<span class=\"elementor-divider-separator\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-ab82c64 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"ab82c64\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><b>You previously mentioned start-ups. The Spanish ecosystem is booming with \u2018New Space\u2019 startups, about 30% of the consolidated revenue of TEDAE\u2019s Space industry (~\u20ac384 million in 2024) comes from SMEs in the sector. What specific ESA mechanisms are being optimized to ensure that startup companies can scale up and compete in a global market?<\/b><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-a5b4e3b elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"a5b4e3b\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>It\u2019s very encouraging to see that. This percentage of startups in Spain is actually higher than the average compared to other countries in Europe. That means that you have a very dynamic ecosystem, which shows that you have a lot of brilliant people with brilliant ideas who are creating a company and bringing this to the market. So therefore, really great new opportunities. And maybe some of these new startups are the future SpaceX or similar European space players of the future.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-8220499 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"8220499\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><em>Texto: Andrea Ortiz<\/em><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Director de Navegaci\u00f3n (D\/NAV) \u00a0de la Agencia Espacial Europea (ESA)\u00a0 Josef Aschbacher ejerce como Director General de la Agencia Espacial Europea (ESA) desde marzo de 2021. 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